EPISODE 123 

BIRTH CONTROL, OR
OPTIMAL FEMALE HEALTH?

W/ MADELINE MILES of MADELINE'S COOKBOOK

Madeline Miles

 EPISODE SUMMARY

Madeline Miles of Madeline's Cookbook
is an advocate of hormonal health, ED recovery, and reducing anxiety.
Madeline and our hosts discuss her experience with birth control and pharmaceuticals and the havoc that they slowly wreaked on her body. This was a period that completely turned her young life on its head, planting inside of her a seed that would quickly bloom into a desire to serve as a guide to other women like herself who have gone through similar experiences. Today, Madeline helps women “hack their hormones so they can regain control of their bodies.”
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
• Madeline’s experience and thoughts on birth control
• A primer on hormones and estrogen
• Supplements that help detoxify the body
• The negative effects of suppressing your hormones, whether male or female

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How Do You Health? Podcast
Hosts: Baldo Garza
Nurse Doza

Guest: Madeline Miles

Duration: 57:35 Minutes
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txmxyogi: Alright, guys, welcome to the, How Do You Health? Podcast. It's Friday afternoon. And we're here with Madeline from Madeline's Cookbook. She's a food blogger, not a fink blogger, because that does not exist. And you guys would have to ask me about that later on, but we're going to be talking all sorts of health information. Jon and her just had a really deep conversation about her health. And we're going to explore some of that maybe. And, we're going to talk some vitamins. She got a shot. So, we'll probably talk about what was in there and I'm TXMXYOGI and we'll get this party started.

Nurse Doza:The conversation that we had a while ago was a pretty important one. Because we're talking about women's health. And you have a lot of interaction with some of your readers and listeners about some of the issues that pertain to hormones and inflammation, birth control. What are women asking you?

Maddie: So many women are put on birth control at such a young age. And most of it it's not because they're trying to not get pregnant. It's because they're having really heavy periods or hormonal acne. You name it so many symptoms that instead of us being taught how our bodies work and that it's really due to a hormonal imbalance.
They're like, okay, we're going to put you on birth control and they don't explain it anywhere. Literally, your doctor doesn't explain it to you. They don't teach you in school. I'm 22 years old and I'm just now really learning the functioning’s of my body and hormones in general. I just didn't know anything about hormones. And so yes, so, so many women are asking me, should I be on birth control?
I had acne and then I got off of it. And so, a lot of people are scared and I was even scared myself. When I get off of it, am I going to get acne? Am I going to get all of these really crazy symptoms? And I just got off at the beginning of May. So, I'm still like a Guinea pig right now. People keep asking me, how did you get your period back?
And I'm like, ask me in a couple of months or however long it's going to be. But, yes, so many women were like how I was. And they had no idea about any of this. So, I'm realizing that the most out of anything is whenever I put a post-up on Instagram, or on my stories, people are just like, what are you talking about? Like, what, this is how our bodies work or so many people are like, wait, I shouldn't be on birth control. Is it really that bad for you? People just don't even know. I didn't even know until two months ago.

txmxyogi: How did you come to that decision? Because we see people that are in their forties or maybe not forties, but definitely like thirties where they're now wanting to get pregnant. And they're like, I've been on birth control for 20 years. And the idea of not being on birth control has never even crossed their mind. How did that come to you?

Maddie: So, when I was in Austin last summer, because I lived here last summer for an internship. I would go to these foodie meetups where a bunch of us bloggers and not all of us were bloggers, some were just owners of health, food, CPG companies and we'd all meet up and meet for coffee or meet at ATX Food Co. And just talk how we talk, like, just talk about anything and everything health.
And, it was Kadie who was like, okay guys I'm reading this book and I'm getting off the pill. And so, then I pulled someone aside. I was like, please is birth control pills bad for real? And she was like, yeah, it's really bad. But like, it's okay, I'm on it too, I'd rather not get pregnant. And I was like, okay, I'm with You too. I'd rather be on something that's bad for you. As long as I don't have a kid. Again, didn't know.

txmxyogi: There are other remedies.
Maddie: Yes. There are other remedies because you're not just fertile all the time, but anyway, I don't know what, sparked me, it was around February that I was just like, I don't know. I feel weird. This is the only pharmaceutical that I take. I've always been very anti-pharmaceuticals yet I take this little pill at noon every single day.
And I started to just like internally question a lot, like how much is this really affecting my mood and my sleep. And so, I just reached out to a couple of friends who are in the health realm and who I know aren't on birth control.
And I was like, okay, what should I read? And what should I listen to? So, I just started off with reading one book, which led me to read another book and another, and listen to all these podcasts. And now here I am and I got off the birth control in May. I did call my gynecologist before.
And I just knew too, because all of the books and everything were like, if you talk to your doctor about this, be prepared for them to tell you it's a bad idea. And she did. She was like, are you sure you want to do this? And I was like, yes. And I'm just going off on the tangent about why it's not good for me. And she was just like, okay, but are you sure you want to do this?
And I was like, oh, whatever. I don't even know why I called to tell you. I was like, I'm getting off. So, what is it now? I'm losing the dates. It's mid-June. And I haven't experienced anything crazy. I was scared as heck because some of the other females who I've talked to some had horror stories. Like I had my worst panic attacks for the first two months after getting off the pill. And some people said I immediately got all of this acne.
So, I went into it. Like I already have a lot of anxiety, I was like, oh my gosh, what is going to happen. But knock on wood everything's been fine so far. I never got on birth control for a condition like acne or heavy periods or anything like that.
In fact, I didn't even have a period when I got on birth control because of my eating disorder and all that stuff that was going on. So, I was pretty optimistic. Well, fingers crossed nothing like that happened and luckily nothing has, but now it's on the period remedy. I want to get that back. So that's where I'm at now.

Nurse Doza: We talked earlier. I said, I found it interesting that we had a discussion about your period, your hormones, the idea that you have this weird thing going on with your reproductive cycle and you're coming to us two guys for help. And I just said, I find it fascinating. What usually happens with most women is you all get screwed up by birth control. It's a good and a bad thing.
The only good thing is it keeps you from getting pregnant. If you don't want to get pregnant. The bad thing is you're putting synthetic estrogen into your body. Your body doesn't know how to metabolize that most of the time, let alone the fact that what, you're 22 in your prime years of your life, you should be fertile. You should be able to produce a cycle. You suppressed it for so long. It's weird, because that just seems like it's the norm.
I always make the analogy. What if it was a guy, like a teenage boy who went to the doctor's office and the mom was like, well, I'm really worried about him getting someone pregnant. And the doctor said, “Well, let's just suppress his testosterone.” I'm sure the dad or the mom would be, "Well, we're not doing that." But yet you turn right around and said, "Give my daughter all the birth control she wants."
And she wants a NuvaRing or an implanon and just anything and no one bats an eye. So, what happens is people will, especially, women will not question their doctor when it comes to their hormones, but yet they leave unfulfilled. Almost like the doctor didn't explain everything. They didn't take into account. The idea that if that hormone enters my body, does it affect other hormones. Right?

Maddie: Right.

Nurse Doza: And what's incredible about it is you started that journey and just in the few months that you've embarked on this journey, you're like, wow, so many women are going through this and they're looking to you for guidance, right. Is it that hard to stop the pill? What did you do? Just stop taking the pills.

Maddie: I just stopped.

Nurse Doza: I mean, it was that simple? I just stopped taking the birth control.

Maddie: I literally just finished out my cycle. I had just finished my second book. I was like, okay I'm prepared and I took that last pill and I was supposed to start the sugar pills for four days is like, I'm not starting back up. And I didn't start back up.

Nurse Doza: That's cool.

Maddie: And I'm here. And again, I didn't feel this huge dramatic, like, ah, but I will say though, I do feel believe it or not. I know you two have only met me a couple of times and I don't know how riled up I seem when I come in here, but I actually feel a lot less stressed now and I sleep better than I have, for the five years.

Nurse Doza: Let me elaborate on that real quick. So, for the listeners, this is the science part of why estrogen is so important. I explained to Maddie a while ago that most women will make several different estrogens in a lifetime. The one that you make before you become pregnant, when you're like, say 14 all the way to like 38 or 45 nowadays, that's the good kind of estrogen that makes you feel like a woman.
When you go and become pregnant, you make a different kind of estrogen. When you go into menopause, you make a different kind of estrogen. That's very inflammatory. Well, inflammatory estrogen is bad for any woman, regardless of what age they are, because it throws off your other good production of your good estrogen. Birth control is synthetic inflammatory estrogen.
Stress can cause inflammatory estrogen production in your body, namely in your fat cells. Which is incredible. So, if you think about it, you're going from a perspective saying I have to learn how my hormones are affecting me because stress affects my hormones in different ways. So now your conversation about your hormones is way different. Because you're not getting off the pill to get pregnant right?

Maddie: Yeah. No.

Nurse Doza: You're just saying I want to take control of my body.

Maddie: Right.

Nurse Doza: So, what do hormones mean for you now compared to when you didn't even know about it. Like six years ago?

Maddie: Yeah. Or even two months ago?

Nurse Doza: Two months ago. Yes.

Maddie: I just tried to learn a little bit every single day and if I'm feeling a certain way, like I've been feeling groggy when I wake up. And so how my brain is now trained as of recent is like, okay, something's up with my hormones. It must be something with my hormones. So, to answer your question, I'm just still trying to learn. And it is funny that you two are both--

Nurse Doza: Guys.

Maddie: ---dudes but I know that you guys are like geniuses when it comes to this stuff. But we can work together and I'll let you know how I'm feeling and what's going on. And you're like, okay, well it's probably, we'll figure it out. But essentially, I'm like a Guinea pig right now.

txmxyogi: The thing about that is we're going to work together to figure it out. But at the end of the day, it's what works best for you. Because even the idea of you learning, you're taking it upon yourself. It was never brought up to you beforehand. Not in high school, not in college, not even like, "Hey, by the way, you all should read some of these books.”
It was just more like; you just did that on your own from a conversation that you had among other healthy people. But if you don't have that same, I don't know, like round of friends and you might not ever come into that conversation. And then
who knows what happens.


Maddie: I would still be on birth control for sure.

txmxyogi: That's just a really interesting thing. I know that it was never even brought up from a guy's perspective. It's just like, hormones are just like sex or anything at all. But you would think maybe in the new age, but maybe not.

Maddie: And one of the books I read, they're talking about this study where they brought a bunch of males in and they gave them birth control and tested how they felt after I forget what the trial period was. But they were like, we would never do this voluntarily. We felt so bad. Like couldn't sleep. We were moody. Our appetite was all funky. Like we're never doing that. And they're like, okay, cool. We're still going to do it for women.

Nurse Doza: We're still doing it for women because they don't know any better.

txmxyogi: They can take it.

Nurse Doza: That's just so odd.

txmxyogi: But it happens as well with giving women testosterone.

Nurse Doza: Yes. We'll see. Here's the thing. Don't feel bad. Because you don't understand hormones just yet. So, when you get older, what will happen is you do get to look at your hormones in a bigger picture. So, what will happen is a woman, a 40-year-old woman goes to the doctor, complaining about my skin's changing. My hair is falling out and I'm bloated all the time.
I'm having painful menstrual cycles. I can't lose weight and I'm sleeping poorly. Oh. And I have some night sweats. Okay. So, based off of that, they usually check a couple of hormones, estrogen, maybe even thyroid. But they don't look at the bigger picture. They don't see the idea that hormones are balancing one another. So, when they say like, alright, cool, you got all these issues. Here's some estrogen I hope it takes care of everything.
That was the older mentality. Now the newer one is saying, well, women make testosterone too. Let's give them estrogen and testosterone. Let's put it in a pellet and drill it into their butt and put it in there for four months. And hopefully that takes care of their skin, their sex drives their energy, like all that.
And it's incredible because Baldo seeing this now, and when we first started working together, I said, you're going to see a lot of older women on testosterone in here. And he's like, why would a woman need testosterone? I said, that's a really good question.

txmxyogi: It doesn't make any sense, right?

Nurse Doza: Oh God. We make estrogen, right.

Maddie: Yeah.

Nurse Doza: But you don't see me telling a guy you need more estrogen, it's no, you need more testosterone. And guys are kind of easy. When they're getting older, you're like, I know it's my testosterone. It's like, well, here's some testosterone. And then the wife's like, thanks a lot. He won't leave me alone now. And he's like, well, that's the easy fix.
The problem is that those guys think that testosterone is going to fix all the answers to. Just like these doctors think that testosterone is going to fix what a woman needs. It's incredible. Because where did this theory come up with? Was it a guy that said women need testosterone? Or was it a female? What did you read in your books? Did you ever see?

Maddie: I would love to know that. I don't know who.

txmxyogi: It was probably some guy, just like, oh, she doesn't want to have sex.

Nurse Doza: But this wasn't mentioned in your book. Right? That's probably.

txmxyogi: I mean, that's basically what happened. It was a doctor bubby say, can you please?

Nurse Doza: That's exactly. I almost guarantee you that's how it started. I almost guarantee you. They're playing golf.

txmxyogi: Yes. They're playing golf.

Nurse Doza: I was like, dude, man, it sucks, man. "My wife is complaining about this." Maybe you should give her some
testosterone. It helps my wife and it helps me whenever I need it." He was like, "Cool."

Maddie: Literally, that probably is what happened. And they most definitely came off as well.

Nurse Doza: That's exactly.

txmxyogi: It's sad. But it's true.

Nurse Doza: And you know what, so there are some women who say it does help with sex drive.

txmxyogi: I'm sure it does.

Maddie: And so, just having balanced hormones helps with your sex drive.

Nurse Doza: But it's incredible.

txmxyogi: Listening to your wife that might help.

Nurse Doza: Just thinking about this though. Okay. In transgenders now, you can take hormones that basically change your sex. I've seen people that change, within months. You go higher up on the testosterone for women. You start getting man features. So, the women, I remember when women were on testosterone, they complained about black hairs and acne and a deeper voice. I was like, that's too much testosterone for you. You need to back it up.

Maddie: On birth control?

Nurse Doza: No, no, no, no. They were taking testosterone.

Maddie: Okay.

Nurse Doza: And so, when they were taking testosterone, they were complaining about black hairs and acne and deep voice, their testosterone was basically taking over their estrogen and it basically dominated the estrogen. That's not good for a woman. So, at some point I was like, why are you even taking testosterone? "I need sex drive." Well, your sex drive probably coming from your mood, what's going on with your mood? I'm always in a shitty mood.
What we talked about earlier, I'm like, well, there's something that's going on. Its probably not hormone related. It’s probably neurotransmitter related. So, what will happen is a woman comes in and says," I want to lose weight. I can't lose weight" Guy says, "It’s your hormones". Cool. We checked two hormones. That wasn't it. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's in your head. Here's some Prozac, here's some Zoloft.

txmxyogi: I'm depressed.

Nurse Doza: I'm depressed. I'm anxious all the time. Here's some Xanax. And then you're put on birth control, antidepressants. And you're like, I still don't feel good.

txmxyogi: I know you said that you hadn't taken any other pharmaceuticals. What other pharmaceuticals have been
recommended to you?

Maddie: No, I did. From about the onset of my anorexia or even actually before that, because the first time I went to go see a therapist and I went to see a therapist and a sleep therapist when I was in fifth grade, because I couldn't sleep. And they wanted to put me on, like literally every antidepressant and anti-anxiety under the moon between fifth grade and then throughout high school.
It was like my parents had to force me to take it because I didn't want to take it. And part of that was also because I just was so sick. I didn't see a problem and I didn't want to get better. So, I was like, I don't want to take that. But then even beyond that, I was like, I don't want to feel better because of a pill.
Something always felt really weird about that to me. And even like the last four years that I was in college, whenever I would go through hard times, I feel like it was like, Oh, you need to get back, even my therapist is like, you just need to get on a pill. Go see someone get put on Xanax or whatever.
And I was like, no, like I want control over this. I don't want to be put on a pill and then reading these books too. I didn't know how taxing those are for your liver. I didn't even know the science behind It. I just knew it wasn't good for me or for anyone to take. But yeah, it's so bad on the liver too.

Nurse Doza: But the fact that you even realize that. There are women, even guys that will come in and they're whatever I trust you. Whatever it is, let me have it. If a doctor tells you these are the four or five pills you need to take, most people don't question it. That was like 10, 20 years ago when everyone was put on birth control. Now I imagine you have 16, 17, 20-year olds coming in saying, I don't want that stuff. Doctors are baffled because they're like, this is what we're taught to do. And so, it's funny because even this week we talked about vasectomies.

txmxyogi: Yes.

Nurse Doza: And my wife wants me to have one because we're through having kids and I just don't want to do it because honestly, I was like, I don't know if it's natural to just do that. It's like telling a woman to tie her tubes. I don't think that's natural either. I don't think it's natural to take out your uterus too and have a hysterectomy.
But that's what modern medicines answer for everything is. If it's not working, let's take it out. And it's incredible because when that happens, especially with vasectomies, what I've been reading lately is high risk for prostate cancer.

txmxyogi: Well, see, the thing is I was researching that because his wife wants him to get a vasectomy. I was like, "Well, I'll just go with you. Maybe, you get two for one or whatever. And then I was like, oh wait, never mind. There's just like a higher risk of cancer. We're not doing that. But it's in your body. Why would it not? Why would it be there if it's not needed?

Nurse Doza: But it's so weird because a guy can vocalize and say like, I don't want that. And everyone's cool with it. A woman says, I don't want to get my tubes tied. I don't want to have a hysterectomy. It's like, no, you need this. So, there's a lady who, she had two kids before. She's probably about, I don't know, 34, 35 this time. She had Hashimoto's, which is a thyroid disorder.
It's an autoimmune disorder for the thyroid. And for the listeners, the way you diagnose an autoimmune disorder for your thyroid is you order something called a thyroid TPO antibody test. That's going to tell if you have antibodies that basically produce inflammation and your thyroid sick.
Most women, by the time they get that diagnosis, they're screwed up. They didn't diagnose them correctly. So anyway, so when you have like thyroid disorders, you have like adrenal disorders, you have any kind of hormones, I don't know, just whatever it is, you don't really know how to go about it.
And so, when you go and you talk to a doctor, you feel like you should be in a comfortable space to say like, what's wrong with me? What hormone is it? The truth is they don't know because in school they were taught to look at two hormones and they weren't looking at the bigger picture. So, you'll talk to OB GYNs. They were like, we would never do that. And even the medications they give, it's usually wrong.
And I'm just like, so the system is in place to basically, I don't know, man. It's not in favor of women and taking care of their hormones at all. That's why by default, we had to do hormone replacement. I'm like, everyone's screwing up all these women and they're on Synthroid when they shouldn't be on Synthroid. They're on birth control when they shouldn't be on birth control.
Oh, going back to the female. So, when she come to us and say well, I want to get pregnant again. I said, well, we got to deal with the Hashimoto's. She said, well, my doctor won't do anything about it. And you know what they did, they took my thyroid out. That's what he said. He said, your thyroid is sick. Let's get it out of there.

txmxyogi: We have several friends that don't have a thyroid and they're like 24, 25.

Nurse Doza: She was young, 30 something. The doctor said, you have Hashimoto's, it's sick. Let's get it out of there. Now we have tons of Hashimoto's clients that have either reversed it or managed it well. Not to the point to take the thyroid out. But she came to us. She was like, I want to get pregnant for a third time with my kids. I keep getting miscarriages. I want another kid. What can we do? I was like, well, what do you want?
They gave her thyroid medicine like Synthroid right after they took her thyroid off. And I was like, wow, did they recommend that before? And she was like, no. So, they didn't recommend medicine before they took out your thyroid. They just took it out. They're like, yeah. Same thing happens with the uterus. Hysterectomy, take it out. PCOS, amazing. And this is the soapbox and you probably read this in the book.
Endometriosis, PCOS is abundant, abundant amongst women. It's incredible because PCOS is one way to make women infertile. And PCOS is an insulin issue. So, there's women out there that have insulin dysregulation and that's why they can't get pregnant. Probably has nothing to do with the birth control they're on. But think about this one in three Americans are pre-diabetic. What if that wasn't a diabetes issue? What if that was an insulin problem that caused them to affect their ovaries?
That's how PCOS is because if you're pregnant, you can get something called gestational diabetes. You basically become a diabetic while you're pregnant. How in the world does that happen? It's not because you were overeating that might've not helped. But then what will happen is the way to combat that is you give them insulin or Metformin, during that. Same approach, you give them Metformin, also known as PCOS they get better.
And I'm just like, wow, it's an insulin issue. Did they ever look? But the thing is, they won't look at the insulin when you come into the OBN, they just say, you got PCOS sucks, man. Like, I don't know what to tell you. You might be infertile. You have endometriosis. Yeah. We're going to have to take that out. We're going to have to scrape the lining because there's so much scar tissue. Yes. So, so think about this.

Maddie: This is why I trust you guys.

Nurse Doza: You're not having to go through that right now.

Maddie: Yes.

Nurse Doza: Because you're so young, you spoke up and said I'm through with this. I mean, that's incredible.

txmxyogi: That's awesome.

Nurse Doza: That's amazing. That's why people look up to you and say like, please show me what. And you're like, all I did was just stop the birth control. That's all I did.

txmxyogi: That's the easiest thing I ever done. Not do that.

Nurse Doza: The modern day burning of the bra. Is that what it is? That's how it is, everyone she sees just like throw out my birth control, like that's it I'm done with it.

Maddie: No, we really should. I remember even a couple, I forget how long ago it was, but when birth control became free, all my friends and I were like, yeah, birth control is free now. We don't even have to pay for it. Now I was just thinking back.

txmxyogi: But it's crazy because it's free. But then that means that you're going to have to pay for a bunch of medication when you're on it.

Nurse Doza: Oh. Because you're on it every single month. But you're on it every month though.

Maddie: When I was reading that book it's like, because some people have so many problems on birth control and I was lucky in that I didn't have problems before birth control and I didn't have a lot of problems on birth control, like really serious ones. Aside from little things it affected my mood and my sleep in little ways.
But what the book's point was in all of this research is it's like, you could be fine right now, fine taking the pill. But like all of this stuff is going to build up and catch up to you later in your life. Because when I first started reading about it again, I was scared as hell. I was like, I've been told by so many medical professionals like be on the pill. Just go on it.

Nurse Doza: It's safe.

Maddie: Yes. If they're all recommending it, it can't be that bad. Can't be that bad for me. And then I'm reading, it's causing cancer. Like all of this stuff. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm texting my mom a little play by play as I'm reading the book. And I'm like, why have I been on this? But really, it's just because no one knows.
And I read or listened to this great podcast too. And someone asked Alyssa VT, I don't know if you guys follow her work. But they were like, should we be pissed at our doctors? And she's like, no, because honestly, like you said, they don't know.

txmxyogi: The thing about it, even if they do know they can't practice that way. Which is a system failure. Because it's like, someone might say, well, we were talking about this last night about a completely different issue and like a glutathione issue. And I was like, well, we know that it helps with certain things. And then he's like, yeah, but I can't use it in the hospital. They won't allow that. And it's like, but it's cheaper than the medications, but I'm not allowed to use that.

Nurse Doza: I talked to an OB GYN lately and they called to ask questions about hormones asking me, it's like, I feel honored. So, I was like, well, this is what it sounded like, and I'm going and everything. And I was like, so how's practice going, man. I feel like every time I give a woman birth control now or if I have in the past, I feel like I screwed them up for life. That was incredible because to hear that the lights came on and for anyone, like what books did you read too?

Maddie: I read WomanCode. And then Beyond the Pill.

Nurse Doza: I was going to say Beyond the Pill is a great book for anyone who wants to learn about their hormones.

Maddie: Yeah. That one was so in depth of like, Oh, you have oily skin, like one day it's because of this or, Oh, you have acne, cystic acne. It's because of that. So that one was very in depth, a WomanCode was the first one I read. I still recommend that one as well. Because that one is a great, general overview that really got me going. Like I need to get off of this. And then I read that book though, because with WomanCode, I was like, okay, I think I want to get off of birth control. And then that book, I was like, I'm stopping.

Nurse Doza: Done.

Maddie: This is done.

Nurse Doza: I can imagine your face when you're reading the book and you're getting pissed off, like what?

Maddie: And then I got pissed off texting my mom.

txmxyogi: What did your mom say?

Maddie: So, I was telling you this, she said that she trusted me. Well, I like to tell my parents about all this crazy. They sometimes think it's crazy. They're definitely coming around to the whole holistic approach. But again, unless you are someone who is super interested and passionate about it, like we are and does your own personal research, you're not going to learn it anywhere else. You go to your doctor; you can see all the doctors for everything. And no one's going to tell you any of this stuff you have to know it yourself.
So, anyway, they're starting to come around to it. I think they also just love my passion for it. And also realize that the Western medicine approach didn't really work for me all those years. They're like, if she wants to try something else. They love, that I'm so invested in my health, but she did say she's coming. I know it's not like the best for you. And I know kind of like a disappointing voice. I know it's not the best and I'm like, well.

Nurse Doza: You tried.

Maddie: "I'm going to get you off of it." Cause that's like my younger sister. And she's like, "Well, you see with you, I trust you. You know what you're doing. Essentially, you're not going to go get pregnant. And on the other hand, was like, and I was
like, I guess I kind of see your point to that. So, then I'm like, no, I'm reading way too much about how terrible.

txmxyogi: One step at a time. And that's good.

Maddie: Just train the girls.

Nurse Doza: We'll talk to them about it.

txmxyogi: I can't wait to meet them. I know you already said you want to bring them.

Maddie: Yes, they're coming in August, early August for my birthday. So, they'll definitely all have to come here and It's like everyone has to sit down for two hours and just learn.
txmxyogi: Have an intervention.

Maddie: Intervention. Yeah.

Nurse Doza: Oh my God.

txmxyogi: An IV Inter.

Nurse Doza: Intravenous intervention.


Maddie: For real though. Cause I feel like the outcast a lot of times in my family, cause I'm like, why I feel weird almost for
caring so much about my health. And then I'm with people like you guys that's why I loved Austin so much. And it's like, I need to move back because there's an abundance of people who do care about this and you're knowledgeable about it.

Nurse Doza: It's just a melting pot of people coming here to gravitate towards this energy that Austin has. And we feel very
fortunate. There was a lady that was sitting over there. She was talking about I'm moving back to Austin; we're fine moving back to Austin. This is the spot. Like, this is where you want to be. If you wanted to have health and wellness conversations that are in depth to the point you've never heard of before, there's some tie back to Austin.
There's someone here that created something or doing something. And it's incredible because you're all doing it from all walks of life. One of the things. I'm in healthcare for over a decade now, and most of my friends are not in healthcare anymore. Most of my colleagues that I would talk to were in healthcare and I would ask them questions like what have you think about?
And they gave me very scientific, doctor answers and practitioner answers, but it wasn't tradition. It was traditional. It wasn't different. It wasn't outside thinking of the box. And so, I remember when I was looking at hormone replacement therapy standard of practice for OB GYN, it says you cannot give estrogen replacement to a woman in menopause for longer than five years.
That's the standard of practice. It might've changed recently. But imagine that a woman goes into menopause, gets put on estrogen and says, "Hey, I feel great now. I've been missing this estrogen my whole life. Now, I finally got it. I feel like I'm 20 again." The doctor says, "Well, you can only be on it for five years. You can only feel this good for five years. Then we got to take you off." And the patient went back, " Why?" Because estrogen is linked to breast cancer and here's the thing.
You shake your head. And I questioned, I said, why would it make sense to take away something that a woman needs in order to function. You wouldn't take away testosterone from a guy, but that's the same thing they say, guys can only be on testosterone for so long. Otherwise it's damaging. So, I said, I don't agree with this. This doesn't make sense. Talk about replenishment. If you're deficient in testosterone, give your body testosterone, deficient in estrogen, then give it there.
So, I went and looked at it. It's all synthetic they were measuring. All the case studies that tied hormone replacement to cancer was because they were giving synthetic estrogen and testosterone to people and synthetic estrogen converts into inflammatory cancerous estrogen. And if you don't believe me, go look up what an Aromatase inhibitor is. It's an estrogen blocker and chemotherapy.

Maddie: I believe you. Goes without saying, I believe you. I don't even know all of this scientific stuff, but I even listening to that, I'm like, why would something that our bodies produce naturally just automatically--

Nurse Doza: Harm us like that.

Maddie: ---cause breast cancer.

Nurse Doza: People are going to talk to you about, they're going to say if I'm on birth control now and I'm having these issues, what is it going to look like when I'm older? My mom is on this and she still doesn't feel right. So, it's going to be weird because you're going to say, well, maybe you're getting like GMO, estrogen. That's what you did with birth control. You got GMO estrogen. And that's why you didn't feel good. And it destroyed you.
Buy real food, take real hormones. And okay. So, let me ask you this. Let's say you go to the natural approach right now. You're 22. Alright. In theory, what would it be like for you taking supplements? What have you been reading? What have you been searching for?

Maddie: So, from those books, I've been taking like a liver supplement, kind of detox thing. Every single day I've been taking fish oil, a really good woman's multivitamin that my dietician recommended. And she's a mix between you guys and Western medicine. They do some interesting and cool holistic therapies in there. But again, it's not like a hundred percent. Gosh, I feel like I take a lot.
I take turmeric as well. If I'm feeling, inflamed at all, I take Vitex which is like an Indian Berry that's supposed to help with. I've heard it was just supposed to help get my period back. But also, other women have said that when they got off the pill, it also helped them with like cystic acne. Other stuff like that. So, the multivitamin turmeric, if I need it. Liver every day, the Vitex, fish oil, pepper. And yes, because I found out like six months ago. I had been using turmeric and then it was like it doesn't do anything. If you don't--

Nurse Doza: Get the black pepper.

Maddie: --have an interjection with black pepper.

txmxyogi: Absolute [inaudible 33:49].

Maddie: What else? I take an adrenal health. I'll have to show you guys the brand, but it's just supposed to be good for your adrenals and then CBD every day.

Nurse Doza: Nice.

Maddie: I love CBD.

Nurse Doza: Let me ask you about the adrenals. What did you notice when you started taking that?

Maddie: I feel okay. So, it's funny when people ask me that I don't necessarily always feel something when I start taking something like a supplement, but when I stopped taking it is when I noticed. So, I went a week and a half, almost two weeks before I ordered my next one. Because I was like; I don't know if that did anything over the last 30 days.
And I just felt more anxious. My heart was racing faster and more frequently. So, I was like, okay, I guess it was doing something. So, I ordered it again and I take it every month now or I get it every month and I take it every morning,

Nurse Doza: You know, the anxiety and the stress response we talked about before.

Maddie: Yes.

Nurse Doza: Your adrenals are your stress response. They release cortisol and adrenaline. So, if you're firing off that all the time, you're overworking your adrenals, which means cortisol, which is inflammatory for most people it's in your body. So, I'm sure your adrenal support regulated the cortisol and calmed it down to where you were like, not as anxious. Which is kind of nice.

Maddie: I know.

txmxyogi: Do you take the Chill too?

Maddie: Oh yeah. I love the Chill. That's right. I took it. I drank some on Saturday morning. I don't know why, this just happens to me sometimes, but I just wake up and was automatically anxious. Like I just wake up. I started thinking about everything I have to do. And my heart is just feeling like it's burning almost like it's just anxious and racing.
So, I drank some of the Kalm or the Chill and I was so relaxed. I was like, oh yeah, I feel good about promoting this on my page. So yeah. I've been promoting it, but yeah, we need to get a Coke because so many people want that.

txmxyogi: She's texting me like questions about Taurine.

Maddie: Because one of my friends who's pregnant asked if she could.

Nurse Doza: Oh, okay. Got you. It's funny. I would probably say, what did you tell her?

Maddie: I sent her a screenshot of his very long explanation.

Nurse Doza: And what did you tell her?

Maddie: Which is basically like, just talk to your doctor.

txmxyogi: I told her to check with her doctor at 500 milligrams of Taurine is okay.

Nurse Doza: I'm going to say I'd probably err, on the side of caution and say no.

txmxyogi: Well, I would say the easy answer would be to say no, but then I would ask.

Nurse Doza: See, I can make a very good point for other things with our supplements. Because I know what they'll do.

txmxyogi: Correct.

Nurse Doza: Because it's not just taking one thing, you take co-factors with it. So, it all makes work better. Like boost is
okay. It has a little bit of caffeine, but you know some women drink coffee while they're pregnant, they don't recommend it,
but some people can handle it. The [inaudible 36:39] that's in the Chill is actually supposed to help with PCOS.

Maddie: Oh.

Nurse Doza: Yeah. So, in theory.

txmxyogi: You would want that.

Nurse Doza: You would want that. Not for the pregnant lady, but for maybe you. Maybe that's something to help you with. But the Taurine is probably the one thing that I'm just not too sure about.

txmxyogi: Correct.

Maddie: Yeah.

txmxyogi: I sent over some research too.

Maddie: We were trying to explain that.

txmxyogi: It's just that it's a lot.

Maddie: I was in the car and I was like, I feel like I just wrote a book.

txmxyogi: What you wouldn't want is for someone says, ah, it seems like a pretty good risk. I'll take it. And then it's like, well, no, that's not the case. Talk to your doctor.

Maddie: Out of curiosity, how could that be harmful to the baby?

txmxyogi: It's like a growth factor thing. Because breast milk already has a lot of Taurine. And then it's like, you're transferring even more, but it's not. But the studies that I found is for three grams of Taurine supplementation while pregnant. And it's like, it's not 3 grams.

Nurse Doza: It's not a high amount.

Nurse Doza: But at the same time, it's like, I don't want to say oh yeah, it's not high enough because that's not true either. Like who knows what else they're taking that could have Taurine as well. It's just a risk I wouldn't want to take.

Maddie: Yeah.

Nurse Doza: Okay. So, this is how I look at it. There are certain things from vitamins perspective, like if you were asked to like, what could toxify my body, well, vitamin D you can do in high amounts. it's a fat-soluble vitamin, which means you store amount of it like a big amount. Water soluble vitamins means you need in constant supply, like B vitamins, vitamin C. D, A, E and K. They all stay in your system. So, you can basically top out.
But with Taurine, it's an amino acid and neurotransmitter, it comes from the production. And I don't know the absorption of certain nutrients and it's a by-product, but it makes bile like Taurine makes bile. Taurine helps with the parasympathetic nervous system.
Taurine is a brain booster and a detoxer so it seems pretty safe to me that you could take that. The issue is what's the right dose is for a pregnant woman and there's no studies for that. That's the problem. So, I'd feel comfortable saying you'll probably be safe, but what if that person metabolizes it and it does this and all that. And I'm just like, I don't want to do the risk.

txmxyogi: Correct.

Nurse Doza: That's how I look at it.

txmxyogi: The other thing I said, I was like, well, because then you can make the argument about like, if this person has anxiety and is feeding that energy to the baby, but the Chill helps them calm down. That's probably a really good thing. But then once again, you wouldn't want to do that. You don't want anyone to take the risk.

Nurse Doza: But here's what I'll say. I saw a lady in practice who was nursing, who had pain pills given to her oxycodone, which is something that could kill anyone. And she was taking liquid oxycodone and her doctor said it was okay while she was nursing. Oxycodone is being passed through the breast milk into the baby. Even antidepressants are okay, if they're in nursing, which means it's okay to give a certain amount of antidepressants to a nursing woman.
Even though they know it's going to pass through the breast milk because they say it's not high enough to make it effective. And I'm like, and you're worried about Taurine and you are giving Zoloft and Oxycodone to all these women. And you're like, you feel okay you give birth control. But yet Taurine is an issue.

Maddie: It's scary.

Nurse Doza: Yeah, it is scary. It's literally scary because we've seen so many natural remedies, so many natural approaches they've been passed along for years, ayurvedic medicine. Culan de dos in Mexico, all this stuff is natural. All medicines are derived from plants. So, like even the poppy seed created opium, which created morphine. Like, Boswellia makes freaking Ibuprofen.
So, if you have a derivative of something, it should be coming as closely from nature as possible. The problem is just like, you're way too young for this, but Jack La Lanne.This is the original juicer. And he used to say if man made it, spit it out. That's the simplest approach. You want to know anything about diet man made it, spit it out.
So even if it's GMO organic, I don't care if it looks like a banana and you picked it off a tree, even if it was a GMO tree it's still way better than anything that comes in a package box or a can that sits on a shelf for two years. That's how I look at it. So even imagine, if OB GYN said, hey woman, you're inflamed and it could be your gut. What if you cut out this stuff in your diet and you weren't as inflamed and that helped your hormones? It doesn't happen. No one talks about it.

Maddie: No.

Nurse Doza: What if you cut out the sugar in your diet, maybe you wouldn't be a diabetic during your pregnancy. No, it wouldn't happen. And it's weird because babies are being born even bigger, they once were on top of that. There's more C-sections than ever.
Well, think about this. There's a natural approach of going through the birth canal when there's a, Oh, what's it called? Velacro. I forgot that. Malia. No, that's the white bumps. I'm blanking here has been a while since I've done my OB GYN rotations. Right. But there's a covering on the skin that you only get through passing through the birth canal and its antibodies.
So, when you were born, there's even this thought process that you don't wash the baby for like a week because those antibodies are on there and immunities building. So, you don't want to wash that off the skin. But the second that they go through a C-section, they get pulled out from the stomach. There are no natural deliveries. And so, there are all kinds of women's issues with C-sections and now what will happen is women will plan their delivery. I'm going to deliver on June 29th, because that works best for me. So, I can go do this.

txmxyogi: So, I can get back to work.

Nurse Doza: So, I can get back to work and go do this. I mean it's downright incredible. And there's not enough paid leave for maternity. Other countries have paternity leave for the husbands. Which is incredible. And you wonder why this healthcare system broken is because women get the wrong advice. Guys don't even know what they're doing. And most of the time you're given the wrong medicines.

Maddie: Do you guys like in this field, in the position where you guys are in, do you think that, do you see like the industry changing to be more holistic?

Nurse Doza: I think so. And it's because of people like you.

txmxyogi: Yeah. It's still a big change to overcome. Like it's still a large part. Someone else asked me that like, when do you

think it's going to turn more holistic? Cause like, I think/

Nurse Doza: It has.

txmxyogi: I think that, well, especially in Austin, it has. And it's just more of like, whenever people stop paying for the other things is really what it comes down to. What's that?

Maddie: Are they still teaching it in schools or you have to go through like---?

Nurse Doza: Oh, holistic stuff.

Maddie: Yes.

Nurse Doza: Oh no. They don't teach that in school at all. My nursing program, even in 2013, in my nursing program, I had to follow a family doctor. 'Cause that's what I'm trained in Family Nurse Practitioner. And they're like, alright, cool. Well, how are you going to practice when you get out? I said, well, I'm going to practice with vitamins and nutrition and all that. And the nurses are open to holistic care. That's what we do.
My professors were like, that's awesome. But you need to learn what the boards are going to teach you. So, you have to go in a traditional setting. And I said, well, I'm going to learn all that stuff. And I'm going to give the exact opposite. The nurses were like, that's cool, that's fine. But you still have to learn this.
And I said, I'm better for it because I learned both options. So, when I present it to a patient, I say, which option do you want? Let me give you an educated option, inform you and you make the decision. So, with a better-informed education.

Maddie: That's awesome.

Nurse Doza: And so, to answer your question about the tide turning, I'm very optimistic through this whole pandemic, right before this happened, there was this pulsating sensation amongst the people that we knew and encountered that the revolution was happening and it was happening from a grassroots campaign. They always said, the revolution will be televised. It's being televised now.
The revolution is completely different than what I ever imagined. But I feel like even after this, the power is still in the 99%. The power is in the consumer, you vote with your dollar. Every time you go to ATX food Co, instead of going to McDonald's, you're paying to say, I vote with my dollar and I choose to support local business, real food, and my friend’s business.
The same thing with you, you said, I am not going to go birth control anymore. You basically stopped that and said, I'm changing the dynamic for me. And because you're an influencer, how many other women are you going to help. You’re going to help more women than we ever will because you have a bigger reach.

txmxyogi: Well, and then that's the other thing. 'Cause regardless of it was a free birth control, some women were still paying for it.

Maddie: Oh yeah.

txmxyogi: And so, it's like, how do you?

Maddie: And they're still seeing the numbers, like how many, you know?

txmxyogi: And they're still getting crazy. So that's not going to stop for a while until all of a sudden, the majority of women are like, we're not doing this. So, then it's like, well, who's paying for the program. Or like, this money is not going anywhere. Let's find some other fake shit.

Maddie: I'm glad you guys both said that because I went back and forth like during this whole process, like, should I advertise that I'm having off birth control? Because I had two things I was considering. One; are people going to think that I'm trying to get pregnant? Especially, I was thinking my boyfriend's mom, I'm like I love her so much. But like I remember I was reading my book and I went to their house one weekend.
I was hiding it. And he's like, why are you hiding it? He thinks it's so cool. He's like, go for it. I support whatever. And I was like, 'cause I don't want your parents thinking I'm trying to get pregnant here. That's the last thing I'm trying to do. So that was number one. I'm like, I don't want people to think I'm just trying to get pregnant. I'm way too young for that.
Number two; I didn't want to push it on anyone, but now the more and more I learn and the more and more I talk, I feel like I have to, otherwise if those ladies didn't say that to me last summer, I would still be on the pill. And I don't hate them for it. I'm not like, Oh, you guys scared me out.
Ultimately, I came to the decision and I'm not going to go on my Instagram and be like, if you're on birth control, you're a terrible human being. 'Cause that's not true. But I feel this responsibility. I'm like, I'm influencing people on so many other aspects, of life when it comes to eating disorders and anxiety and just taking care of yourself. And this is a huge component to it. Because I've been doing all of this stuff to have good health for the last, however long years and years, but I was still taking that pill every day.
And that was really compromising my present and future health. And so, I know so many women who like, they eat really clean and they take such good care of themselves. They get the eight hours of sleep every night, but they're still taking the pill at night. Just like I'm like, should I take them?

txmxyogi: I think the best thing is just to, not necessarily encourage, but just to educate. And then that way they can make their own decisions. And someone might say that's definitely not for me. And that's fine, but at least they know about it.

Maddie: Yeah.

txmxyogi: Because then they're making their own decisions. The worst part is like, no one ever told me this. Which is what usually happens. Luckily for you, it happened at such a young age. But like I said, we run into some 35, 40-year olds that want to get off of it and hopefully get pregnant. Now it's just not going to happen. Pregnancy is just one aspect of the pill.

Maddie: Right.

Nurse Doza: I've heard it from like IUDs, like the copper one.

Maddie: Also, I think it's the IUD. One of my really good girlfriends got one. And she's like after I get this taken out, I'm not doing hormonal birth control again. But she had to drive to St. Louis to get it, which was like two hours from campus. And was hurdled up in the passenger seat of her car because of the cramping that you get for the first day or two afterwards. And for like six months after getting it she was just bleeding nonstop. And she's like, "Why the hell did I get this? This wasn't fun to put in." A little side note, my younger sister, she had whatever.

Nurse Doza: The implanon

Maddie: Yeah. And it moved.

Nurse Doza: Yeah.

Maddie: It moved.

Nurse Doza: So, for the listeners implanon is an injected. It's like a tube, like something they put around your bicep. And they inject this device into your arm. It's basically hormone control and birth control. I mean, but no, I was in practice when I would see that and women would just stick out puh, puh, puh and I was like, I could never imagine anyone who has a son saying, that's cool to stick that in my kid and suppress his hormones.

Maddie: No.

Nurse Doza: But yet insurance pays for it.

Maddie: Right. Well actually, I forgot to mention this when I was telling my, gynacologist that I was going to get off the pill. She's like, "Well, how about you try?" And it was the, I don't even know IUD. And she was like, it's non-hormonal. And I was like, Oh, like ding, ding, ding. Like that was good to me. I was like, I'm on hormone now and I won't get pregnant. I was like, what are the downsides to it?
Obviously, there are side effects and she's like, well, and then show me those things. And I was like, okay, then no, I'm like, why would I but then I question it even further, why would I believe that much? And she's like, well, because you're going to be just like really inflamed and like, okay.

Nurse Doza: No. It's like no.

Maddie: I'm not doing that. I literally just spent 30 minutes, telling you all of these reasons I want to get off the pill. One of them is like inflammation. And you're telling me that.

Nurse Doza: So, what you just said right now, when you talked about taking control of your body, you already did. But you said that's one of your goals you already did. Think about that. Imagine you go to the doctor's office and you don't vocalize, you don't have this conversation five years ago. Maybe you would. And you're like, yeah, whatever, that's fine. But you stood up for it.
And if everyone went into the doctor's office and said, you know what, I'm going to question everything you say, because I've read this. And I think that this might be the route I want to go. You dictate you dethrone what the doctor is saying, because the truth is there's a lot of smarter doctors out there, but their hands are tied and they're only doing what they've been trained to do, which is the same freaking approach with only newer medication.
So, if you ever watch a commercial, I don't watch TV anymore, especially regular TV. But watch the evening news. No. Screw that, don't watch the Evening News. Don't watch the Evening News. Watch Wheel of Fortune or whatever you watch at night. And right in between those, with the commercials, it's always a medication commercial like three of them. If there are five commercials. Three of them are medications.
Every time they show a medication commercial, it's the most expensive drug that that company has to offer, which means it's a four or $500 a month medication. They want you to hear about go to your doctor and say, that's what I need. And it's incredible.

txmxyogi: We're also the only country that allows medication in commercials.

Nurse Doza: Yeah. Bingo, side effects.

Maddie: For real.

Nurse Doza: Yeah. Side effects include diarrhea, nausea, blurry vision.

Maddie: So many.

Nurse Doza: Bleeding, anal bleeding. I've heard that on a commercial, anal bleeding. And it's a lady holding her husband's
hand walking on the beach, like, yay. I'm so free now. I got to go run to the bathroom really quick. I'll be right back. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not signing up for that.
People come in here and they ask very medical questions. So, what's the side effects of glutathione and B12. Better sleep, better energy. You poop more. I don't know. You feel better? Like, no, but what are the side effects? I just told you what the side effects are. Maybe you have a soreness at the injection side. They're like, so what's the downfall. I'm I don't know. I'm telling you.

Maddie: I asked you that too when I was getting the IV. I was like, so what are the side effects of this? And you're like you'll sleep really good. You'll feel calm.

txmxyogi: You'll poop for once.

Nurse Doza: So imagine if those commercials were like that.

txmxyogi: My favorite word was poop.

Nurse Doza: Imagine those commercials were that case?

Maddie: You're five.

Nurse Doza: No, no, no. Okay. We're bringing up every single episode it's been about a main drop of poop. I swear to God it happens every time. So Baldo will say I've pooped three times and it's 9:00 AM. And I'm like, damn, I've only done twice. And everyone else is like, what? That's awesome. I go like three times a week and I'm like, man, you need to step up your game.

Maddie: Oh my God. That's so bad. I remember telling my doctor oh no, it wasn't my doctor. It was one of my friends she's a holistic dietician, but she actually studied, like, she went to school. So, she it's the same thing. Like learn the Western side as well. But is a holistic dietician. And I told her in terms of like, I think I'm constipated. She says, "How many times do you go?" And I was like, Oh, like a couple of times a day. And she's like, "Oh, I thought you were going to say like twice a week." And I was like, people go only that much.

txmxyogi: Yeah. One person says like Sundays.

Nurse Doza: Friday and Sunday, that's what they said. I said, that's not normal. She was, that's my normal, I mean, the thing is okay. We talked about depression earlier. Like how that's like really hard to talk about. Imagine poop. And this is how I swear to God. He hears this all the time. So that person came in want to lose weight. Why can't you lose weight? I don't know. It's my hormones. Keep talking. I'm like, tell me about your digestive health. What does that have to do with anything? I'm like I don't know. Try me. Okay, cool. "Well, I go pretty regularly." Alright cool. "How often do you go?"
"Well, I go, pretty regularly How often do you go?" Rolls her eyes at me and says, "Fridays and Sundays" And I was like, "What?" She was annoyed. And I was like, that's not normal. That's my norm, whatever I said, well, that's why you can't lose weight. You're backed up. You're inflamed. Like that's a sign of health. Imagine if you took that as one of your vital signs, people take blood pressure, heart rate.

txmxyogi: And poop.

Nurse Doza: And I poop. My poop's great. My sleep's awesome.

txmxyogi: It's just a cool word. I love it.

Nurse Doza: Okay. But people they don't want to talk about it, but it's a sign of health.

Maddie: I know. It's so weird.

txmxyogi: Good poops. I want to make sure it says good poops.

Nurse Doza: I think Omar has that right? Eat, sleep, poop. Oh, that's what it is. Eat, sleep, poop.

txmxyogi: I got to make sure.

Nurse Doza: Good poops. That's what we want to make. Cinderella good poops. Oh my God. Imagine if you had a supplement, I wonder if that would sell.

txmxyogi: It would sell.

Maddie: It would sell.

Nurse Doza: Because people would say, I want good poops.

txmxyogi: I want good poops.

Maddie: Magnesium helps with that. But no one buys magnesium--

Nurse Doza: For that reason.

Maddie: Knows that magnesium helps with that. But if it was like magnesium for poop, people are like, Oh, got it.

txmxyogi: Well, that's the product. It's going to be a magnesium. We're going to call it good poops.

Nurse Doza: Was it Laci Le Beau, the poop tea. That's what it's called. It's called poop tea or something like that. I'm like
what? And you know exactly what it's for. Like, I need that.

txmxyogi: It's like ketones make this shot. We used to make a shot. People come in all the time. I was like I got you, don't worry about it. I make them a shot. And they're like, dude, that thing's made me poop.

Nurse Doza: But they won't tell me that. I'm like how that shot worked. They're like, do it again. That's all I'm saying. I'm like, alright. It worked. And they're like, yeah. See. It's just weird how I always come back to it because no one ever talks about that. They don't think about it.

Maddie: I thought the last time we went to a doctor too; they were uncomfortable talking about it.

txmxyogi: Because they don't poop.

Nurse Doza: They don't know what it's like. I'm telling you.

Maddie: Oh my Gosh. This is my favorite podcast. Listen to Orvin.

Nurse Doza: I'll tell you anyone that listens. You're going to walk away and say bad birth control. Birth control is bad and I
need to poop more. That's what it comes down to. That is right.

txmxyogi: That's a good way to wrap up.

Nurse Doza: That's a good way to wrap up. Like I've said, I've had this really good conversation. I commend you.

Maddie: Thank you.

Nurse Doza: What you're doing is the reason why the revolution is coming and we're going to be healthier throughout this ordeal is because of people like you and I applaud what you're doing. It takes a lot to stand up, especially being vocal with everything that you've done and how it had happened to you. So, for the listeners and the people.

txmxyogi: Viewers.

Nurse Doza: And viewers, how would they find you?

Maddie: So many ways, but preferred way is on Instagram. Madeline's Cookbook. It's madelines_cookbook. And then from there I have a link in my bio. It'll lead to my YouTube, my website, my Pinterest.

txmxyogi: Congratulations. You're on YouTube.

Maddie: Thank you. I know, I wonder if there's a way I can even upload this to it or whatever.

Nurse Doza: Sure. We'll probably do it.

txmxyogi: This thing has been recording this whole time.

Maddie: Oh gosh. I can't wait to look back and laugh at us just cracking up. Oh, my goodness.

Nurse Doza: What's going to have to happen is we'll have a follow up episode.

Maddie: Yes.

Nurse Doza: And we'll see where's the progress.

Maddie: Yes.

Nurse Doza: So, it'll be fun. We'll be able to track it.

Maddie: This is awesome.

Nurse Doza: Thank you so much for joining us.

txmxyogi: Thank you so much, Maddie.

Maddie: Of course. Thank you, guys.



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